Rolex Submariner VS Omega Seamaster 300M - Rolex vs Omega Deep Dive Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
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Few archetypes of watch draw as much attention or take up so much space in the heads of watch collectors as the dive watch. Simple, utilitarian, and fit for all parts of life, dive watches are the ultimate expression of sports watches and have found a home on the wrists of countless collectors and enthusiasts over more than seven decades.
Today, Tim compares two of the finest examples on the market today - the Rolex Submariner Date and the Omega Seamaster 300M. Though both watches are decidedly modern, they each draw from an esteemed history. In fact, each watch has, at various points, appeared on the wrist of James Bond.
In this Versus comparison, Tim dives deep below the surface to break down the choice between these two icons, if there even is one at all.
Whether you know is as the “Kermit,” the “Starbucks,” the “Cermit,” or simply as “the Sub with the green bezel,” there is no denying that the 126610LV is one of the most popular options in the Rolex Submariner lineup.
Released in 2020 as part of the redesigned (and, at the time, controversially re-sized) Submariner lineup, the 126610LV was introduced as the successor to the previous generation’s “Hulk” and as a reimagining of the aluminum-bezel 16610LV - known as the “Kermit” for its use of the Muppet’s signature shade of green.
With a 41mm case and a new movement, the 2020 Submariner was a true update to the classic dive watch - and one that cannot be dismissed.
The 126610LV got a mid-cycle refresh in 2023, with a shift to a slightly different shade of green ceramic, but the original 126610LV remains a strong option, and, potentially, a rare one.
An icon of the 90s, the Seamaster 300M proves that technical capability and good looks don’t have to be far apart. Worn by the likes of James Bond, this fully spec’d dive watch will easily take you from the deck of a dive boat to the lobby bars of the world’s finest hotels.
Few names in modern watches are as recognized as that of the Seamaster. From the deepest depths of the Mariana Trench to the poolside bars of Lake Cuomo, there is a Seamaster for every occasion.
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These reviews are just as much a part of my morning routine as my cup of coffee!
I don’t understand the hate for either watch. They are both great watches and you can’t go wrong with either.
I have both, both black bezel and Omega on ruber. I do wear Omega much more. But when the time is right I love to put on a Sub. Both are great.
Honestly price no object i would take the Omega, I grew up watching worlds not enough, pretending I had a watch laser. So to have a watch that's symbolizes part of my childhood, priceless 👌
I own both but I prefer Omega. I think a lot of people who wear Rolex do it for the “flex” and attention. 20 years ago, Rolex were achievement or milestone items. They weren’t looked at as investments or “flex” pieces as you could walk into an AD and walk out with a watch except a Daytona. Then all the hip hop guys and crypto bros started buying Rolex and all of a sudden they are popular and investments. I’d like to see how popular Rolex are with people if they became easier to get and no longer carry a premium. I say another 5 years or so and the hype will die down.
As much as I want it so bad to not be the case, I don't think the "hype" will ever die down. Rolex has made a hard pivot into the luxury brand market, and celebrities and public figures with it. Come back in 5 years and see the price of a Skydweller be exponentially higher than now.
You certainly could walk out with a Daytona 20 years ago- they were unpopular models decades ago
I have 3 seamasters (green on rubber, no time to die, and 60th anniversary) but I found that I'm wearing my Rolex (no date) more often than all omega combined. It's just growing on me. Omega is fun, but sub is more timeless and that's how I feel right now about watches.
Your Rolex No-Date Seamasyer also sounds like a lot of fun :)
@@Roy-vh9rpHuh, there is no chance that the YT comment missed this typo ) of course, I meant the sub.
The fact is that I'm considering selling either no time to die or 60th. I'll keep the green on rubber, though. When I first picked the sub (and this is my only Rolex), it just felt wrong; too simple to clean. But after a week, it was a totally different experience. Maybe I am just passing through the Omega phase. Again, there is nothing wrong with Omega loving this brand, it is just about the feeling. I agree with Tim here. If money is no object, I'll go for Rolex.
I really want the Sub, but dont want to wear a Rolex in public these days… too much unwanted attention. Tim summed it up perfectly at 3:28 😂
The Seamaster is gorgeous and a great diver's watch when you want it to be
Omega said: Design a dive watch, that looks nothing like the rolex submariner. That‘s exactly what the omega looks like.
I just think the Omega is the far better looking watch (though this is the worst color). The quality is every bit the match as the Rolex and it absolutely has the heritage. These days - it seems like an Omega is for someone who loves watches and a Rolex (especially the sub) is for someone who loves to be seen wearing a Rolex. And I know this sounds like I hate Rolex and I certainly don’t - but for Sub vs 300M- I just think with the Omega being half the cost- it’s a no brainer
The Omega with the white dial is a stunner. I'd have one of those in a heartbeat, even though I'm bored with dive watches...
Black or white - both are just fantastic- I’m not against waiting for a Rolex- but it just wouldn’t be a sub when you can walk in any boutique and walk out today with one of those
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@@stanwilson7040 I mean, you make a really strong argument here, but….no. It is just as good - move out of your moms basement one day and you will maybe get there
@@italianstallion3130get both dial colours...! For the same price as the sub!
Price was no object for me, I bought the Omega sedna gold ceramic.
I’d do the same if price were no object.
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The last Seamaster 007 and 007 60 years anniversary are simply unmatched
I remember just a few years ago Tim was all about the Seamaster vs. the sub. Speaks to the staying power of the sub, but I still love my SMP.
Price no object, I’d get two Seamasters
I like them both but I’d take a Fifty Fathoms with X-71 in either steel with blue guilloché or titanium/blue over either of these two.
In Australia, the price difference between the SMP 300m and the 124060 Sub is much closer than it appears to be in the UK and US.
Amplitude issues on the Rolex makes it a pass. Such a shame reviewers still can't talk about it. Marketing is very powerful
True , my sub is very precise as long as I am wearing it , not even a full second off per day, but when I have it in the winder or set it aside for a day or so, looses at least 5 seconds.
In contrast, my Omega Seamaster 300 ( heritage ) if I don’t wear for a couple of days that’s what it looses , couple of seconds, in the winder also is negligible the loss of time. This is what it makes it my favorite watch, the precision of the movement.
And forgot to mention, my daughter drop it from a table while moving something on hard ceramic tile and nothing , no impact whatsoever to its precision.
RUclipsrs will not slag of Rolex as they know it will lose them subscribers and they don't want to go against the flow.
Or it’s not a common problem or any more common than warranty issues from other manufacturers.
@@cecaju9516 are you Simping for Rolex? Or do you just sell them? Too many issues over too much time for this to be a simple warranty issue
@@ALL-il1sw I’ve never that this issue. Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.
I don't think the hands are all that great on either the Rolex or the Omega. I don't know why Omega now puts the skeleton hands on every version of the Diver 300 meter. Some of the earlier editions of the watch were offered with sword hands that had more presence and were more legible.
The Rolex hands are just weird, with the ultra-thin minute hand and the hour hand that's subsumed by the "Mercedes" logo bopping around the dial.
Hi Tim, can you do the new burgundy Blackbay 41 vs the SMP300 next please
I went with this green bezel sub and the black dial heritage seamaster 300…love the look, lumed bezel, tapered bracelet, 2 barrels etc on the 300 over the m. I do really like the 2 latest bond versions though…no time to die and 60th
Great pair of dive watches there.
Thank you @@steve_troy ..great name you have there 😁
Sold some real estate in May of 2022 and came out with a bit over $100k. After months and months and hours upon hours of research, reviews, reading and contemplation I decided to get the Omega SMP 300 blue dial (2018 version) in October.
I still to this day don’t even think about it or second guess it. The SMP 300 is just such a more fun watch to wear. I love Rolex and the Sub is a freaking awesome watch, but it just doesn’t resonate with me like the SMP 300. Price was absolutely no object to me and I’m glad I got the Omega every single day and I have zero regrets!
The Sub. By some distance imho.
The Seamaster looks almost cartoonish alongside.
Great review only thing missing was a date discussion. If your vision is subpar you will struggle with the Omega.
Shocked Tim was so decisive here.
These comparison videos from Tim are awesome. I'll take a smurf over anything in the world, anywhere, anytime.
One of my favorite series. VS!
I own the Rolex Hulk and the Omega NTTD. The Omega is my daily, I prefer its appearance.
You have also the completely blackout ceramic case Seamaster Diver 300. There isn’t an option for that with the Rolex.
Excellent review
I bought the Omega and I also want the Rolex. Can you please put me on your wait list for one?
I would take the Sub. I have a 2010 Submariner Hulk 116610LV as well as a 2009 Kermit and love them both dearly. Would love to get a Omega Speedy, but the Seamaster really doesnt do much for me no matter what the price. Unless its the No time to Die model. That color scheme is growing on me.
I have both the original iconic Omega Seamaster 300M from 2007 and just picked up the Mk2 Rolex Submariner Starbucks last month. My daily is the Omega but my favourite is the Rolex. If I had to have just one.... advantage Rolex.
I have an Omega NTTD, titanium and chocolate caramel colourways. Lovely looking watch. And that's what these mostly come down to. I dare say not many are used for diving. Personal taste. Agree with the review about under radar Omega and better value. Both well finished watches however. My next purchase will be a Rolex now that prices are dropping. I think if you wear either, you are winning at life!
kermit mk2 came in for me the end of last month and I want expecting it until next spring but when the AD calls, you drop everything and pick it up!
Just get a Longines Hydroconquest it's a very nice underrated watch that is beautiful and a dive watch just my opinion it's not overpriced either obviously both of these watches are beautiful but is the Rolex worth like 20 Longines Hydroconquests? Is the Omega worth 10 times the Longines Hydroconquest? this means the Longines is at least a third as good as these watches for way less
Grey market price - wise, it s around 9 new Longines Hq for 1 unworn 41 Sub date and 3 new Longines Hq for 1 unworn Omega SMP.
As always.. thank you for the great review, Tim!! While I'm next in the waitlist for a Rolex Sub, as a previous owner of an Omega SMP 300M diver (white dial) - I noticed one practical issue with the skeleton style hands in certain darker environments. "Luminescence" under certain darker situations is indeed a real issue with Omega divers because the hands are not a solid Lume like on the Sub or even in Planet Ocean line up in Omega family. Because the indices are large and skeleton hands have a indices style circular edges sometimes these get camouflaged making it harder to read time. That is the single reason I've had to sell my Omega after owning it for over an year. Mentioning since others can make an informed decision. Other than that issue, the Omega SMP diver 300 is absolutely a terrific timepiece offering an unbelievable value for money. I also liked the heft the Omega offers on your wrist.
Unbelievable value? That’s a bit of an overstatement I’d say.
Both are great watches but whatever advantages the Sub it's not worth the price premium. Price no object, I'd get a more expensive variant of the 300M.
The seamaster bezel is far more functional as a diver. The fact the rolex has sharp grip means its easily turned- even by accident. Not so with the seamaster. It drives me up the wall my rolex divers bezels move so much through the day
On the other hand, I was in the ocean with my Seamaster 300m and could not turn the bezel in the water. The Seamaster bezel’s smooth, scalloped edges were too slick to give my fingers any purchase.
The purpose is to be able to set the bezel timer with gloved or wet hands once you have entered the water and put in your regulator to start the countdown of air remaining.
Clueless comment
All comes down to taste but for the movement and functionality, the Omega is superior.
No
I'd compromise with a titanium and rose gold Seamaster because that is just next level sexy and in well in the ballpark pricewise.
I own both models. With the bracelets sized to my 6.5 inch wrist, the Submariner weighs 150gm, while the Seamaster weighs 176gm. That 26gm difference makes the difference TO ME between comfortable and uncomfortable. Omega’s bracelet is just too chunky. The links are too thick and the bracelet doesn’t taper. I recently retired from my rotation both a Seamaster and a Tudor GMT because they both weigh over 170gm on my wrist. I replaced the Seamaster with an Omega Globemaster and that weighs 154gm. It’s even a little heavier than the Submariner, but it’s still comfortable on my wrist.
I would buy the Rolex at retail, sell it buy the Omega with the profit. Put back the rest of the funds in the bank 🙃
If only Seamaster was thinner, say like 1 mm... and use the new Speedy's bracelet.. (Omega, are you listening?) too much wishful thinking from my side, i guess.. 😅 and still, i got 2 SMP 300s, blue and black.. since i am not paying grey mrket price for the 41mm Sub.
Overall Sub is a better diver watch, but just by a tiny margin i'd say, it is not 90 v 80, it is more like 90 v 88. If Omega could take out that helium escape valve and if they could make it thinner... then Omega will win.
The Seamaster is a great numbers watch. It is packed with spec and design features, but I feel the whole is less than the sum of its parts. It lacks cohesiveness of design, proportion, and wearability that the make the Sub the benchmark diver.
Omega is beautiful but very large…
Hmm I paid $14k AUD for an Omega Seamaster 300m Chronograph Sendagold on steel case compared to a submariner? I have the no date. by the way
Seamaster can be the winner. With a 40 mm case size. And a bracelet that can actually be worn daily.
Seamaster looks better imho.
The Rolex just wins here. The Seamaster is too big, has a worse bezel, worse bracelet, don’t like the helium escape valve. Great movements, love the dial, love the sapphire caseback. Other than that Rolex cooks it. Bring back a slimmed down Seamaster with sword hands!
The Omega is the better watch. And better size for a men sport watch.
@@maitrehg better in which way exactly? Movement? Not in any measurable way. Level of overall build quality? At best it’s even or in Rolexes favor. Being thicker and wider isn’t generally considered a good thing. It’s certainly better value for money than a Rolex but it’s not a “better watch” in any respect. You might prefer the design, tastes are subjective, but I don’t
@@maitrehghow is it better? I’ve owned both and the Rolex is without a doubt the superior watch.
The Rolex loses because its bezel is off by one click. 😂
The seamaster dial is too busy.
I have both....last time I wore the SM300?? Can't remember! Rolex is superior in every way!
Correct. But you can’t say that because the fanboys will get upset
Uhrenhersteller gehen Schmuckhersteller . 😂
Es fehlt noch die Seaq Pano und der Gewinner steht fest . 😏
The helium crown is a deal breaker for me. Rolex feels like total quality and wear supremely well. The Omega is a quality piece, but one of many and not pn a par with a Rolex. I've had a Kermit and taking delivery of a Starbucks next week. Too much money but no pockets in a shroud!
Certina seems better in every way. What am I missing??
Hey guys. I am fortunate enough to have the choice between a Rolex Submariner, an omega Seamaster and an omega speedmaster. This is a gift for an important milestone in my life. My dad already has an omega seamaster and is planning on leaving it to me in his will. Bearing this in mind. What watch should I choose? My heart is telling me the submariner. But my head is telling me the speedmaster. What do you guys think?
Thanks
Another thing to note: I will NEVER sell this watch it will be a piece that I will eventually hand down to my son.
Smoother (Hz) second hand - Rolex
@@Futuresvision1 why not new if I get a call from the AD
Sorry, this was meant to be sent to you:
Power reserve- Rolex
Inside only AR coating- Rolex
Accuracy- Rolex
Thickness- Rolex
White gold indices/hands- Rolex
Bracelet- Rolex
Platinum inserted bazel - Rolex
Design (no popping HE) - Rolex
Value - Rolex
Versatility - Rolex
Size - Rolex
Iconic- Rolex
Price retains- Rolex
Built quality - Rolex
Smoother (Hz) second hand - Rolex
Bazel rotation- Rolex
Glidelock - Rolex
On radar - Rolex
First Bond Watch- Rolex
Majority hunting- Rolex
Transparent back - Omega
Availability- Omega
Let's be honest and real, Seamaster is a nice have, but Submariner is a MUST have 🤷♂
I own a seadweller and submariner. I own two seamaster 300 M and a 1948 seamaster nyc boutique. I wear the seamasters the most. I love all watches differently....like I love my four dogs differently. So yes, I'd get either or both.
Where’s the Omega bracelet made? 🇨🇳 👀?
I own a Omega Seamaster and i like the fit and finish much better than the Rolex.
Seamaster vs Tudor feels better
I own both of these and the bezel and action of the Omega is horrible. So hard to grip and turn. I have owned many Rolex watches over the last decade and never once has someone asked if its fake, if your friends are asking if it's fake, either get some new friends or you probably can't afford the Rolex.
The Sub is around %10 better with around %200 the price.
Go ahead, put your money in the Rolex so your heir can sell it and get the cash.
You’re absolutely correct or better yet sell yourself after some years and buy another Rolex with the profit
Ahahah per quale motivo Rolex costa più del doppio?😂
I'd rather save a few quid and have a breitling superocean! Better design!
70th anniversary hulk no date
Rolex is in every way superior case, bracelet, design, clasp movement, thickness, heritage etc. I owned both these great watches including a 41 Sub for a year but didn’t like the baggage that comes with owning one, I switched to Explorer 2 42 and still have the Seamaster on rubber strap it’s wonderful! Great video Tim but a bit lazy on production this deserves the watchbox studio’s cinematography.
The 32xx movement is in no way superior. There are tons of problems (roughly 30% of movements in an extensive survey lose amplitude quickly) if you care to look it up.
@@Doggo-frenctonbut they don't talk about that in the echo chamber
@@Doggo-frenctonAn “extensive survey” was one watchmaker asking a handful of Rolex owners how their Rolex was running.
I’ve owned 3 with the 32XX movement with no issues whatsoever. Looks like they ironed the problem out if you sent them in for a service.
This is getting so old. Look at the market. That’s the better one because better is subjective anyway. So the masses say what’s better.
Ugh not Rolex and Omega again. I get it though it gets the clicks.
The bezel clicks
Submariner - timeless
Seamaster - nah, bracelet, He valve, too big
Cyclopse lens - no way…
@@jumboJetPilottrue, but he did say submariner, not sub date
@@TM-ic1eb maybe so, but the Submariner Date is what’s in this video.
Power reserve- Rolex
Thickness- Rolex
White gold indices/hands- Rolex
Bracelet- Rolex
Platinum inserted bazel - Rolex
Inside only AR coating- Rolex
Accuracy- Rolex
Design (no popping HE) - Rolex
Value - Rolex
Versatility - Rolex
Iconic- Rolex
Price retains- Rolex
Size - Rolex
Built quality - Rolex
Bazel rotation- Rolex
Glidelock - Rolex
On radar - Rolex
First Bond Watch- Rolex
Majority hunting- Rolex
Transparent back - Omega
Availability- Omega
A watch is more than the sum of its parts. A watch can tick all the boxes on paper but be disappointing in real life. The Omega is a better watch. Any competent watchmaker will explain why.
@@maitrehgthe all mentioned above explains why Rolex is better
@@Futuresvision1 Rolex's marketing is really powerful for the weakest among us.
@@maitrehgare you saying the majority (those who are hunting Rolex) is the weak?
@@Futuresvision1 I don't judge anyone. I myself was a victim of Rolex's powerful marketing. Now that I have realized that these are very ordinary watches and that the asking price is a real rip-off, I focus on truly superior watches: Omega.
Can’t even compare - Omega looks cheap / Toy looking like- Rolex submariner is absolutely class
Submariner. No question.
In hand the Seamaster looks and feels like a well made gimmick dive watch.
The problem with the Omega is that Tudor exists😂😂 other than the see through case back the Tudor divers are almost the sub for similar money
Who wants a Tudor, you will always think I could never afford a Rolex, and was too tight to go for an Omega......
The Omega looks like a Citizen or Seiko with the Submariner being one of the most iconic timepieces ever hatched from a goose of gold, or steel for that matter. Unless you’re a Speedy stay home. The fact that no one would even consider robbing you for something you paid over $4000 for says it all ☝🏻🥴
Seamaster 300 has the worst bracelet ever. Its stuck in the 90’s and every other Omega has a better bracelet
İ’Ve been wearing my omega smp300 along with ceramic and titanium grade 5 watches for a week and İ’ve never seen anything negative. The bracelet is very comfortable and iconic, it doesn’t have to look like the others or be lighter.
Stuck in the 90s for sure. It may be functional and/or comfortable, but aesthetically nothing about it appears modern
@@Pianist..I agree. The bracelet is iconic
@@aaronm8235Tudor fanboy spotted 😂😂😂😂
It doesn't get more boring and uninspired than that. Woooo!
Seamaster look's waaaay better 🔥
I'm bored with dive watches. However, I'd go with the sub.
The Seamaster bracelet is so ugly and dated.
Even if the omega was perfect, that stupid 10 o’clock crown is hideous.
And so is that stupid cyclopse lens on the Submariner.
@@jumboJetPilot not to me. It helps me see the date that I use multiple times a day.
@@golfbuddy1969 the correct answer would be for Rolex to make the date display bigger, not put that hideous cyclopse lens on the crystal.
@@jumboJetPilot uhhh, no. The cyclops magnifies 2.5x, and it would be nearly impossible to integrate a date display 2,5x larger. This is especially useful as you get older and sight is more impaired. I can see it in the morning without putting on my glasses.
@@golfbuddy1969 sure they could have! They could have either used a dual date window display if they needed it to be larger or they could have done it the way UN did it with the Maxi Marine and integrated the magnifier crystal underneath the primary crystal, leaving the primary crystal completely flat on top. I am “Oyster Perpetually” amazed at how people dig for reasons to hate the SMP and yet are so forgiving of Rolex’s annoyances. I think Rolex’s magnifier crystal is every bit as annoying as Omega’s helium escape valve.
Rolex wins it any day of the week
This Omega should have been compared to a Tudor BB instead. Planet Ocean would have been a better comparo to the Rolex Sub.
This is a ridiculous comparison. The Rolex is so obviously superior.
Fair comparison but Rolex always wins. Why? What percentage of Omega sell for above msrp used? Invest in a Rolex if you're not happy with it sell it, make money and get an Omega for free from the Rolex profits. Or buy a Seamaster and see what you get for it used... it's less than half. Investor vs Consumer, it's that simple.
I would love to have any of them watches flat out it would be an honor to own either one I wish I could get one.
It's the Omega for me. The Rolex just attracts too much unwanted attention I don't want. Both are iconic watches that i love but I want to enjoy my watch rather than have it spend 99% of it's time in a safe.
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